SPACEMEN! TSC, July 1970
--A Question and Answer Session with Dad Nearly 25 Years Ago!
DO 2977
1. Let's finish the subject that we started on tonight, shall we? We started discussing the flesh. Some people say we shouldn't "glorify the flesh!" I don't know what they want us to do with it. Maybe they want us to treat it like the Hindus do--sit on nails and walk on coals of fire and torment it and abuse it, so it won't be glorified!
2. God's Word says you're not to abuse your body, that it is the temple of the Holy Ghost! (1Cor.3:17; 6:19). If you ask me, that's a lot of glorification! If Jesus decided to glorify your flesh by making it His temple, that's quite a bit of glorification! That's glorifying Him more than some of these damned empty church buildings, where He wouldn't go if He could possibly help it!
3. But I've heard some Systemites say, "Oh, tsk tsk tsk! You hippies shouldn't dress like that! That's exposing too much of your flesh and glorifying the flesh!" If you ask me, for some people, it's humbling the flesh! Some of these people who have such sanctimonious, pious, self-righteous, hypocritical attitudes about nudity ought to try it some time and see how proud it makes them! It is one of the most humbling experiences of your life! It is an absolute, total mortification of the flesh! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Underground Church Dream!
4. Remember the dream I had in Huntington Beach about the Underground Church? There they were down underneath the surface, like in the catacombs of Rome, and everything was ablaze with light, brilliant light! Upstairs in the System all was dark, but down in the Underground Church everything was blazing with white light! (See "The Drugstore!" ML# 266.)
5. My mother was my guide taking me on a tour, and we found all these young people--hippies, longhairs, weirdy-beardies--everybody busy and running around! Everybody seemed to be working and everybody was stark naked!
6. I said, "Mother, why are they all naked?" She said, "Here we have no false pretenses, sham or hypocrisy. Nothing is hidden here, all things shall be revealed!" Aren't there a few Scriptures along that line? "In that day nothing shall be hidden, all things shall be revealed" (Mat.10:26; Luk.12:2; Heb.4:13).
Freed from System Traditions!
7. Does this shock you? If it does, then you're too much of a Systemite! You're still bound by the old System!--Still bound by the flesh, bound by convention, bound by the traditions of men, bound by the Devil and bound by sinful attitudes!
8. Of course, we have to be cautious because "all things are lawful, but not all things are expedient" (1Cor.6:12). If eating of meat causeth my brother to stumble, I will eat no meat. (See Rom.14:14-21.)
9. We're looking at things God's way, not as man sees it! "Man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart!" (1Sam. 16:7).
10. You're still going to have flesh with you in the life to come, but a new kind of flesh!--Flesh and bone! (Luk.24:39). But it's going to be totally pure! It's going to be supernatural! It's going to be miraculous! It's going to be powerful and wonderful! Praise God? If you have Jesus Christ and you are saved, born again, you're part of His Bride and you're going to have that kind of flesh.
11. Jesus was so fleshly after He was resurrected that He could even sit down and eat fish and bread! (Jn.21:13). I don't know that He was hungry, but He could eat if He wanted to. Think of that! You're going to have a body that can eat! When the angels visited Abraham, they sat down and ate with him! (Gen.18:8).
12. Aren't you glad you're free from all those damnable, inhibiting, fearful traditions and conventions and bondages of the old System?--So-called Christianity, damnable churchianity! God is free, and "where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty!" (2Cor.3:17). Praise God!
13. I'm not ashamed of the body God gave me, and I hope you're not either! Of course, many people are ashamed because of their System-addict indoctrination and their System reflexes and their System brainwashing which has made them damnable creatures of the System!
14. Some of you are still having a hard time getting over it! Some of these things still crop up in me too. Every once in a while I revert to that thought pattern and I have a reaction that was conditioned by the System. Every now and then something happens, little tiny things that I was taught: "This is the way you're supposed to do it."
15. It took me years to find out the Bible didn't say so! I once made a whole list of the traditions and the conventions and customs of the church that I couldn't find a word of Scripture to substantiate!--Nothing but the traditions of men, by which they had made the Law of God of none effect!--Jesus said so! (Mat.15:6).
16. (Fam: Will there be any sex in the Millennium?) Well, it speaks of children there. (Fam: It says we'll be like the angels of God.--And angels made love to the daughters of men! [EDITED: "Gen.6:2,4"].) That's one thing. Of course, you realize that there are going to be natural flesh-and-blood people in the Millennium who survive the Wrath of God at the end of the Tribulation--because who else are we going to rule over? We will be as the angels of God, they won't be!
What We Can and Cannot Be Dogmatic About!
17. There are a lot of things we don't know! Don't think you can find out everything and understand everything. You're going to have to wrap some things up in a little bundle of faith, put them on the shelf, and wait until God explains them to you!
18. Now you've heard a few more of my opinions, and some of them I believe I can pretty well substantiate by the Scripture.--But not to the convincing of some, because "he that is convinced against his will is of the same opinion still!" There are some people you can't convince because their minds are made up and they don't want to be confused with the Scriptures, or the facts!--No matter how much Scripture you can give that supports what you're talking about!
19. There are some things we can be dogmatic about, like salvation and Jesus! A lot of things we can be very dogmatic about that are very clear and very specific in the Scripture. But some of these things we've been discussing tonight--about what kind of a body you're going to have, the resurrection, will you be able to have sex, will there be children born--all these are things which we can't so clearly prove and we can't get so dogmatic about. There seem to be Scriptures on both sides and you can just take your choice!
20. As long as you're saved, love Jesus, love to witness, get souls saved and try to get everybody you can into Heaven, and love God and love one another, and believe in the method and the message that God has given in His Word for this Family, then if you don't agree with me on some of my pet doctrines, that's up to you! You don't have to agree!
21. I even disagree with some people I've loved all my life! We just agree to disagree! But personally, I think you'll find that some of these things will help you solve problems and are solutions, which are better than the problems!
God's Throne!
22. (Fam: What about Ezekiel chapter one?) Ezekiel saw the wheel way up in the middle of the air--God's chariot that He rolls around in with His throne on it.--His space platform!--His flying saucer! Like the old song, "The great big wheel runs by faith, and the little one runs by the love of God!"
23. Well, I don't understand that thing, brother! All I know is exactly what it says: It sounds like God's throne rides around on it! It's obviously mobile, and it contains God's throne--so apparently that's His vehicle! Whatever it is, that's how He travels in any visible or physical manifestation. Praise God?--Probably Jesus, amen?
Has Any Man Seen God?
24. (Fam: The Bible says, "No man hath seen God at any time," but Isaiah and Amos both saw God! [EDITED: "Isa.6:1-5; Amos 7:7,9:1"].)--And Moses and a few other people too! God has means of manifesting Himself in what the theologians call a "theophany" or a "God-body," a visible, physical or material representation of God. This is why "in Jesus dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Col.2:9). "He that hath seen Me, hath seen the Father" (Jn.14:9). In other words, that's as close as God could come to showing you what He is like--by creating His Son Jesus.
25. So do you want to know what God is like?--He's like Jesus! Praise God! One of the most beautiful illustrations is in the 7th chapter of Daniel, where the Son of Man is brought before the Ancient of Days. Jesus is brought into the presence of the Father, showing two distinct personalities within the so-called Godhead! (Dan.7:13).
26. I believe in just what the Bible says: There is God the Father, there is Jesus His Son, and there is the Holy Spirit! There is no such word as "trinity" in the Bible, even though the concept is obvious!--But it talks plenty about God the Father, Jesus His Son and the Holy Spirit!
27. Thank God for His Word! Amen? Now you can see you've only scratched the surface--it's just the beginning! You'll never have studied enough of God's Word if you live to be a thousand! So eat it up! "Thy Words were found and I did eat them" (Jer.15:16). "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth!" (2Tim.2:15). Praise God! Study His Word!
We're Not Bound--We're Free!
28. I think these things we've been talking about may help you with a few answers, especially in witnessing to people who fire these questions at you and who don't like the standard, orthodox church interpretation of these things.
29. Well, thank God we're not bound by the traditions of men! We're not bound by any doctrines of an absolute eternal Hell, equal for everybody who's lost! We go by the Word of God, and when it says some are cast into the Lake of Fire "forever and ever," it literally means "for an age of ages." (See Rev.14:11; ML #1391:35-41.)--And ages come to an end. Praise God! (See also Luke 12:47-48.)
30. So get yourselves cleansed of all these old traditions and all these old conventions, which make the law of God of none effect, and get yourself delivered and in the liberty of the Spirit!
31. Thank You Jesus for Thy liberty! Thank You Lord! Let's praise the Lord! Thank You Jesus! Thank You for Your Word! Thank You for the truth of Thy Word! Thank You for the liberty of Thy Word! Thank You for freedom! Thank You for freedom of the Spirit! Praise Thy precious name! Thank You for the fact that "when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away!" (1Cor.13:10). We'll know then!
32. You'll know all the answers then! Praise the Lord! So if you can't figure it all out now, don't worry about it, just wait till we see Jesus! (Sings:)
It will be worth it all,
When we see Jesus.
Life's trials will seem so small,
When we see Him.
One glimpse of His dear face,
All sorrows will erase.
So bravely run the race,
Till we see Christ!
--Amen? Praise the Lord! Thank You Jesus!
The Spirit Hath Revealed It!
33. There's one sure thing you can know--God is going to do the right thing! He's going to do the just thing, the loving thing, the merciful thing. You can trust God to do the right thing!
34. You can't pursue these questions with the natural understanding, the Holy Spirit has to reveal them to you. Almost every day God reveals something new to me which I never saw before, I've never understood before.
35. It's been there all the time, been right here in the Bible all the time! But I never got the point until the Holy Spirit opened my mind and explained it. So thank God for His Spirit, amen? You can't expect to understand all these things or to see all these things--they're beyond your imagination! But if the Holy Spirit reveals them to you, that's wonderful! He's given us a lot of revelations, praise God!
Heaven Is Colonizing Earth!
36. Do you know what God is doing?--Heaven is now colonizing Earth! You know all the old movies and TV shows you used to see about "The Invaders"--these guys that for some reason or other had to leave some other part of space and colonize the Earth? Man dreams up these things, but it's just the Devil imitating and counterfeiting God's original ideas and plans, and giving man these ideas.
37. I'll tell you right now, spacemen colonizing the Earth is exactly what's happening! There's an invasion going on from outer space through the Spirit of God in you, captivating the hearts of men and colonizing the Earth! We're fifth columnists, infiltrators, subversives, moving in to set men free from the snare of the Devil and the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the Kingdom of God! We're tuning in to God and His Spirit, we're turning on to His Word, and we're just about to take over! Praise the Lord! We've dropped out of the System! There's a good slogan: Tune in, turn on, drop out of the damned System and take over! Thank You Lord!
38. Oh, I'll tell you, this is so wonderful! The Lord is so good I hate to quit. It's hard for me to quit because as long as you stay here, the Lord will keep on talking to you and revealing things! "The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak," and you've gotta consider the flesh a little bit. If that's glorification of the flesh, I'm sorry, we'll have to glorify it a little bit. It hasn't been glorified enough yet that it can go without sleep!
39. Thank You, Lord, for all these confirmations of Thy Word and the things we've been discussing. Thank You for Thy precious children, for the faithfulness of Thy Holy Spirit and the wonderfulness of Thy Word!
40. Thank You that Thy mysteries are without number and without end!--Marvelous, marvelous, all the things that Thou hast created! Help us not to be ashamed of any of them. Help us not to condemn any of them. Help us to accept what Thou hast made and to be thankful, that "every creature of God is good and nothing to be refused" (1Tim.4:4). Thank You Jesus!
41. Help us to be faithful as we colonize this Earth with the heavenly Kingdom! Bless us and keep us and continue to provide and protect, and give us rest and strength for all our labors. Have Thy way in all these things. Lead and guide us in every step, keep us in the center of Thy will!
42. Help us during these few days that we're going to have here together that we may be prepared for things that are to come, and the colonizing, the spreading and the evangelization of the world--as we colonize this world with Thy Kingdom!
43. We really ask for and expect Thy Kingdom to come on Earth! It's here already, Lord! It's right here in our hearts already. "The Kingdom of God is within you" (Luk.17:21). We thank You that this is a sample right here of Thy Kingdom.--A sample of Heaven on Earth, a colony from outer space!
44. Thank You for these spacemen who sit here before me!--Thy spacemen, Lord, from Thy heavenly space platform! We thank You that You, by Your Spirit, have inspired them and created them, and filled them and saved them, and are using them to colonize this Earth and bring about Your Kingdom upon Earth! "Thy Kingdom come on Earth as it is in Heaven!" Thank You Jesus! Praise You Lord!--Amen!
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